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choad wrote:

Owwie.

Since that convo was so curtly derailed, there's no reason we can't discuss it here, if anyone wanted.

I tried S. divinorum on a couple of occasions, about a year ago. Both in leaf form, neither satisfactory or anything near what a friend promised would be the expected results (and he's tried bloody everything). Some users (try Erowid) report that the drops/distillations are more effective, and lace cigs, pot, or tea with it. I ended up giving the internet-bought bag to a friend for his birthday. Supposedly, he had more fun with it than I. Some report a pronounced, depersonalizing high; others, a quasi-religious experience, but both very short duration (no more than 20 minutes). I can't personally vouch for these experiences as I have seldom found myself properly sorted on herbals. If your body is more susceptible to organics of this nature, I imagine it could be quite satisfying, but definitely not a drug of frequent abuse or even common recreation.

I do not like it, but that doesn't mean it should become illegal.

Native Americans use it ceremonially, and that's cool. It's a little too intense for my own shallow mind, not being a Shaman and all that happy horseshit. And I was supposedly smoking the low-grade kind. I would hate to see how fucked up the good stuff would get me.

It is from Oaxaca, not South America.  It's use until recently was within a 100 mile radius within the state, by indigenous people only.  The last 10 years has been a disaster for this plant.

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Dmtdust wrote:

It is from Oaxaca, not South America.  It's use until recently was within a 100 mile radius within the state, by indigenous people only.  The last 10 years has been a disaster for this plant.

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I take it you mean it is overharvested in its home range. I have never seen the imported version, but if that is the case people should learn that it grows rather nicely as a house plant and I have seen it overwinter well in unheated greenhouses in the NW.

It started out that you could get the plant in two places... (live and expensive) then, through the efforts of assholian capitalism, then appears dried leaf, then tincture, pure salvinorin (salvinorin A) then all hell breaks loose with the extracts 5x, 10x, 20x adnauseaum...

Then, we get the situation with Youtube where idiots do it to prove.... what?

The original ceremonies practiced in Oaxaca are these: You go to the local Curandero, having lost something you want to find, or to examine something in your life...You are made to lie down in the dark, and then you are given 13 pairs of leaves to make into a quid and you chew..them (don't swallow...)  This the original experience is not duplicated with the (un-intentional due to ignorance over-doses of the non-native user. 

It was never smoked in its home territory.  That was first discovered back in the late 80's in Mexico city by street punks.

Anyway, with that spoken there is an article I could turn you onto in a magazine about keeping it legal in Oregon that I found on-line, if you want it.

Talk Later,

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Dreadw0lf wrote:

Oaxaca south mexico soooo sorry...

You do realize that South Mexico is still North America, right?

Taint wrote:

Yeah, but isn't it closer to north Central America?

Wait, I know this one. 

The arm bone connect-a-to-the leg bone...no, wait, the neck bone connect-a-to-the shoulder bone...wait, no, the wrist bone connect-a-to-the finger bone...aw, fuck it.

'Salvia has been smoked for centuries by Mazatec Indians as a healing and divining tool.'

Bullshit.

Never, ever used in this method by its indigenous adherents.

This is an excellent article imo.

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raoul.duke wrote:

Using salvia is like having a bad fever.

You sweat, feel very uncomfortable, and get quite confused for a little while.

There is a lack of euphoria, in my experience.  Much like woodrose or morning glory.

Your doing it wrong. heh.

I tend to think a movement, phenomenon, or pasttime is officially over by the moment the New York Times gets its mitts on it. The instant the "educated" are apprised of a substance being abused, well get ready for your PTAs, church groups, and city councils to launch a rarely needed "crackdown." On that note, expect your small market stations to get started with those fear-mongering teasers: "It's a new drug, it's available online, and your kids may be taking it. What is this horrible scourge of humanity, and why is it TOTALLY LEGAL?"

Perhaps Local6 in Florida will be next!

andrielle wrote:

hey guys, check out this site I just found: www.salviasociety.org  I heard about it on Fox News last night. The guy who owns it was talking how he's trying to stop legislation in different states from banning the herb.  I hope he succeeds, meanwhile they just banned it in my State (Minnesota) :(

Oh yes... Spamming to save Salvia, by selling... Salvia!  what a novel idea.

andrielle wrote:

hey guys, check out this site I just found: www.salviasociety.org  I heard about it on Fox News last night. The guy who owns it was talking how he's trying to stop legislation in different states from banning the herb.  I hope he succeeds, meanwhile they just banned it in my State (Minnesota) :(

It doesn't help your cause to post videos showing the drug's horrifying effects.

jesusluvspegging wrote:

Salvia Divinorum genuinely stimulates desire, improves sexual stimulation and pleasure. Try Salvia and sex to see for yourself - Buy Salvia Right Now!

From what I understand (also from my own seeming failure to get off on it), the high only lasts about 10-20 minutes. I don't know about the rest of you, but that's not quite long enough to really enjoy sex.

pALEPHx wrote:

jesusluvspegging wrote:

Salvia Divinorum genuinely stimulates desire, improves sexual stimulation and pleasure. Try Salvia and sex to see for yourself - Buy Salvia Right Now!

From what I understand (also from my own seeming failure to get off on it), the high only lasts about 10-20 minutes. I don't know about the rest of you, but that's not quite long enough to really enjoy sex.

Well, I'm not experienced in Salvia use, but I imagine it would be difficult to enjoy sex while flopping on the floor, seeing the smells in the room and whatever other strange shit makes you completely unable to connect with your body.

jesusluvspegging wrote:

It improves sex, if you're having sex that's so bad you'd rather be staring, terrified, into the naked face of Gawd.

That depends, does God have tits?

jesusluvspegging wrote:

tojo2000 wrote:

jesusluvspegging wrote:

It improves sex, if you're having sex that's so bad you'd rather be staring, terrified, into the naked face of Gawd.

That depends, does God have tits?

Not on His face.

No one really has proof of what God looks like, technically. So this isnt a factual statement.

Besides that I really cant imagine anyone feeling sexy when they are travelin thru a tunnel and unable to control themself. Would you like start the sex and then say ' hey lets hit this salvia' then still be inside when you both start traveling in your mind?

It just sucks that every time we find something that we can escape this drab reality with they find a way to take it away so we have to suffer and then we take medicine because we are suffering from depression now.

Ha. It's too much really. Besides does the economy really want to be wasting it's thought pattern on salvia when we are all starving and uninsured?

I bought a salvia plant and they are hella easy to grow http://hubpages.com/hub/how-to-Grow-Salvia-Divinorum. I think that's the way to go, cause if you decided you wanted to do it and your state banned it. Your outta luck. Which seems to be what's happening. Everyone is gonna ban it. That way we arent focused on what's really going on if they cant keep a poor man down.

SallyDee wrote:

jesusluvspegging wrote:

tojo2000 wrote:

That depends, does God have tits?

Not on His face.

No one really has proof of what God looks like, technically. So this isnt a factual statement.

Besides that I really cant imagine anyone feeling sexy when they are travelin thru a tunnel and unable to control themself. Would you like start the sex and then say ' hey lets hit this salvia' then still be inside when you both start traveling in your mind?

It just sucks that every time we find something that we can escape this drab reality with they find a way to take it away so we have to suffer and then we take medicine because we are suffering from depression now.

Ha. It's too much really. Besides does the economy really want to be wasting it's thought pattern on salvia when we are all starving and uninsured?

I bought a salvia plant and they are hella easy to grow http://hubpages.com/hub/how-to-Grow-Salvia-Divinorum. I think that's the way to go, cause if you decided you wanted to do it and your state banned it. Your outta luck. Which seems to be what's happening. Everyone is gonna ban it. That way we arent focused on what's really going on if they cant keep a poor man down.

Flogging your plants?  At least you aren't selling extract, which I applaud you for.  You might seriously consider lowering your dosage, as what you are describing is due to doing too much. 

Why do I know this?  I have worked with this plant for over 15 years on research projects, papers etc. Lower the dose.  You might actually get somewhere.

It is in the right dosage very, very easy to work with.  You might even try the Mazatec original method of using a quid, which gives a far different (read better) expericence.

Treat it with respect.  Thanx!  Bai!

Why does a little sprout of SD cost $35+? Methinks some people WANT it to go illegal. Might as well prohibit entry into the market and protect profits. Oh sure, they will sell you the dried leaf, free of viable seeds, but want big money for a do-it-yourself kit.

Might as well go back to breeding "pure"-bred dogs.

GooberMcNutly wrote:

Why does a little sprout of SD cost $35+? Methinks some people WANT it to go illegal. Might as well prohibit entry into the market and protect profits. Oh sure, they will sell you the dried leaf, free of viable seeds, but want big money for a do-it-yourself kit.

Might as well go back to breeding "pure"-bred dogs.

Hell if you lived near me I would give you cuttings for free.  Since I am not go to http://www.greenstranger.com excellent prices, good people and they deliver up until the first freeze..

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I guess 3 plants for $42 is a little better than 1 plant for $35. But why does it cost more than a $5 perennial down at the nursery? But thanks for the offer DMT.

I don't have any desire to smoke it. I just want to grow it BECAUSE so many states are making it illegal. I had no desire to grow it before when it was legal. But now it's a 5 year felony in Florida and is "sort of" illegal in Virginia, the two states where I have interests.