Bigcat wrote:

cock puppet wrote:

I see my initial impression, that folks on this site were pretty intelligent, may have been a bit premature.

Some of you guys are so fucked in the head that sarah palin seems like the voice of reason and intellect by comparison.

And you don't capitalize proper nouns. Stupid fucker. Go the fuck away.

As someone who criticizes grammatical usage so sanctimoniously, you amuse me by failing to create complete sentences whilst doing so.

A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourselves off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one. Here's what you can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money that we spend on weapons and defence each year, and instead spend it feeding, clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, for ever, in peace.

Bill Hicks

Lip shitz wrote:

Bigcat,

hatred, indignant self-righteousness and OCD make a nasty holiday cocktail.

Don't you and Sailor have some children to molest?

Gawd is an ironic son of a bitch.

SACRAMENTO (CBS/AP) – The nation’s largest teachers’ pension fund says it will review its holdings after being criticized for having an investment in the manufacturer of an assault rifle used in last week’s Connecticut school massacre.

Fuckin' Rick Perry just said that teachers should be armed.  And then he finished suckin' the NRA's pathetic over-compensating for penis, and smacked his lips with satisfaction.

1927, Bath, Mich: 45 people, 38 of them children, killed after Andrew Kehoe dynamited their school.

In deference to Bigcat's alleged OCD, something needs to be said here. 

I have a step-son who has Aspergers.  He is what's called a 'high-functioning autistic'.  He can drive a car, talk, etc, just like the Newtown shooter.

The media (et. al.) keep saying that there is no connection between Autism and violence and they are correct for the most part.  However, there is another aspect of autism that they are willfully overlooking.

Autistics are very very compulsive and very obsessive.  They can spend days, weeks, years obssessing on a single idea.  This is the same neurological aspect that makes some of them savants, even when they have an 80 IQ.

This is my theory;  I believe that his mother, being an attractive women who liked to drink, had 'gentlemen callers'.  You can't entertain a gentleman and be a baby sitter to a 20 yr old man-child at the same time.  So he was ignored and alone.  In other words, his 'mother' (the only person who ever believed in him) was gone.

I believe he went to the elementary school because this is where his disease first grew legs.  It seemed apparent to him, based on his mother's gun fixation that shooting was an acceptible answer to personal problems.

Bigcat wrote:

So, you are an engineer and a profiler. I am more than impressed.

Also, I noticed you used punctuation and capitalization, Well done.

Im not a profiler (whatever that is), but i know what it's like to live with an autistic man-child.  (We are buying trigger locks for my rifles, just in case.)  And yes, i did teach him to shoot a gun.

The boy likes and trusts me, so i will be spending my holiday talking to him about this whole thing.  He is just smart enough to realize this 'new perception' could have a bad effect on his already fucked up social experience.

You folks better get used to this conversation - 1 in 88 have some form of ASD.  And big pharma has convinced people that mercury in vaccines is not harmful.

BTW, the latest rumor is that the mother was making plans to have the boy committed to a psych. facility.  The 1st graders he shot were some of the same ones that the mother volunteered with last year.

This theory actually makes a lot of sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co … icide_rate

Yeah, I'm hoping you're not posting that link to imply that we're at some kind of acceptable level of killing.


Also, new meat might have had a point with his theory, although I find the process of speculating about this a little distasteful.

I just can't understand why she had guns in the house while she was in the process of having this kid committed.

Baywolfe wrote:

Htom Sirveaux wrote:

Yeah, I'm hoping you're not posting that link to imply that we're at some kind of acceptable level of killing.


Also, new meat might have had a point with his theory, although I find the process of speculating about this a little distasteful.

I just can't understand why she had guns in the house while she was in the process of having this kid committed.

Probably to imply that has been the level of killing all along.  Three one-thousandths of one percent of our population with most gun crimes, including murders, taking place in high-crime urban areas.  That's what makes something like this get the big headlines in the press, because it happened to middle class, mostly white, kids, not ghetto kids.

That's definitely the truth--similarly, if you only watched cable news, you'd think that only upper-middle-class white girls ever go missing.

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choad wrote:

Baywolfe wrote:

That's what makes something like this get the big headlines in the press, because it happened to middle class, mostly white, kids, not ghetto kids.

No CT resident south of Danbury or Bridgeport, CT is middle class. They're what IRS gumbies refer to as irreproachable rich fucks.

I stand corrected.  I wasn't sure of the neighborhood, so I didn't want to cast aspersions.

The answer was there before us all along; 'Let Love Rule'! 

Lip shitz wrote:

And big pharma has convinced people that mercury in vaccines is not harmful.

Peer reviewed research is what convinced me.

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-town-allows … 17416.html

A spike in gun sales is common after a mass shooting, but the latest rampage has generated record sales in some states, particularly of assault weapons similar to the AR-15 rifle the gunman used Friday in an attack on Sandy Hook Elementary School

I haven't fired a gun in more than 30 years and try to ignore the subject but can you tell me when a semi automatic became an assault weapon?

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XregnaR wrote:

choad wrote:

A spike in gun sales is common after a mass shooting, but the latest rampage has generated record sales in some states, particularly of assault weapons similar to the AR-15 rifle the gunman used Friday in an attack on Sandy Hook Elementary School

I haven't fired a gun in more than 30 years and try to ignore the subject but can you tell me when a semi automatic became an assault weapon?

September 13th, 1994

http://www.historyorb.com/date/1994/september/13

Because George Burns had fluid removed from his brain?

Some of you will be bouyed to hear that Xinhua, the Chinese Communist state media, is urging Obama to use this tragedy to implement gun control.  This would be the same Chinese government which, under Mao, murdered 50 million of its citizens during the revolution and continues to do so today.  I'm sure they only have our best interests at heart.

Merry Christmas from your Second Amendment

choad wrote:

I haven't fired a gun in more than 30 years and try to ignore the subject but can you tell me when a semi automatic became an assault weapon?

WW-II.  High muzzle velocity and large magazines.

At that point all you have to do is squeeze a lot and reload.

The NRA fails to realize how sick of their shit we are.

The right seems to have two solutions to this:
1) Force their guns into my hand
2) Force their ten commandments onto our walls.

Emmeran wrote:

choad wrote:

I haven't fired a gun in more than 30 years and try to ignore the subject but can you tell me when a semi automatic became an assault weapon?

WW-II.  High muzzle velocity and large magazines.

At that point all you have to do is squeeze a lot and reload.

Good answer. I can go back to ignoring the subject comforted there are still so many more efficient ways of killing people.

This meme is frequently used by the US gun lobby as a justification to arm our entire citizenry. Their reasoning is that sensible gun regulation equates to taking guns away from the people, as they argue that Switzerland stays safe by deliberately putting guns in the hands of their citizens. Both claims are false. The push for common sense gun regulation in the US has nothing to do with "taking away" weapons. The second, perhaps more important truth, is that Switzerland is a leader in practicing the stringent yet fair gun control that many of us have been advocating for, and that the NRA has been fighting tooth and nail against. Switzerland is a model for showing that sensible gun regulation works exceedingly well to prevent crime and establish an emotionally healthy, balanced, law-abiding society.

Let me set the scene: Switzerland does not have a standing army, opting instead for a civilian militia. That militia IS their army, so those carrying weapons in public are not private citizens acting freely as individuals, they are structured members of a military, charged with protecting their nation. Switzerland's military model isn't about allowing their citizens the "right" to have weapons, it's about creating an army through different means. Guns in Switzerland are seen as tools for national -- not personal -- defense. That's an important distinction for those trying to draw comparisons for gun use in the two countries to come to terms with. Members of their militia are drafted, they have no say over the matter. Nearly all men between the ages of 20 and 30 are included, and women are allowed to volunteer.

Guns are a huge hobby in Switzerland, but approximately half of all personal firearms are stored at gun clubs, away from the home, where they prove less of a threat to the family. Despite the claims we hear from the US gun lobby, gun ownership in Switzerland is nowhere near as common as it is in the US. The Swiss household gun-ownership rate is 27% excluding militia weapons. Contrast this with household gun-ownership rates of 9% for Germans, 16% for Italians, 23% for French, and 37% for the US. If we included military weapons in the US total (as the creator of this meme did for Switzerland), the ownership rate in the US would be much higher.

Once members of the Swiss military have fulfilled their 10 years of service, they have the option of retaining their military weapon, however the automatic features of the gun are stripped away. All guns in the hand of civilians are user-loading, greatly reducing the threat to society. Citizens are allowed to own a maximum of 3 weapons at any given time.

There is a huge emphasis on gun safety and training in Switzerland. Anyone wishing to own or use a gun must submit to a complex background check that includes mental and physical health screening, as well as considerable hands on experience and extensive training which stresses safe use of guns, understanding the law itself, and understanding the social implications of inappropriate gun use. After proving "need", those wishing to own and use a gun must obtain a permit which they are required to carry on their person, which must be updated every 6 months after need has again been proven. You aren't given blanket permission to own and use a gun forever for whatever purpose you want. Anyone with a criminal history, even for relatively minor crimes, are forbidden from owning guns. In the US, all you need to purchase and use a gun is a photo ID. As a direct result of this lack of oversight, guns in the hands of criminals are rife in the US.

Gun sellers in Switzerland are required to perform complex background checks, and to provide a "reasonable certainty" that the guns they sell will not be used for criminal activity. Sellers that fail to follow those procedures become directly accountable for crimes committed with any guns they sell. The participants in these transactions are required to prepare a written contract detailing the identities of both vendor and purchaser, the weapon's type, manufacturer, and serial number. If that gun is then resold by the owner, the same paperwork needs to be completed again, and entered into a national database. BB guns, paintball guns, and imitations of real guns are also governed by the law, as is gunpowder. The sale of automatic weapons and certain accessories such as "silencers" and high capacity gun clips are forbidden without a special permit which requires an additional, more thorough screening.

In the US, you can buy any of these items anonymously at a gun show and through the internet. The lack of gun monitoring forced on our nation by "hands-off" gun advocates is so complete that someone could build a standing army without setting off any failsafe alarms, as many of those involved in mass shootings and other US-based crimes have done.

Until very recently, all military ammunition in Switzerland was government issued, and checks were performed each year to verify that no unauthorized use of ammunition had taken place. While the government no longer provides ammunition through a central clearinghouse, it still monitors it very closely, with each weapon and each bullet accounted for at all times, tracked to individual owners, who are held accountable for their weapons. Those who want to target practice (including citizens), must do so at a government approved target ranges where all ammunition can be carefully accounted for.

In the US, the NRA has successful blocked registration and tracking requirements, so that we literally have no idea how many guns are out there, what kind they are, what add-on features they have, and who has possession of them. Switzerland has stringent laws for illegal possession of weapons, which serves as a powerful deterrent to crime and keeps the weapons out of the hands of criminals, while America has a "no regulation" policy that puts guns directly in the hands of criminals, and affords them the same access to guns as anyone else in society. Every single weapon in the hands of criminals in the US came from a legal gun sale.

In Switzerland, citizens and members of the military are not allowed to use their weapons to settle personal arguments. The penalties for improper use of firearms are more severe than America's penalties for many forms of homicide.

Gun transport in Switzerland is considerably more regulated than in the US: The ammunition must be separated from the gun, so in the event of a theft, the criminal is not obtaining a working weapon. There needs to be a clear justification for transport; You aren't allowed to keep a gun in your trunk for personal protection. It must be on your person, where you can more accurately be held accountable for its use.

Because of Switzerland's thorough yet common sense gun regulation, there is very little gun violence, and you rarely see a mass shooting there of the type we see in the US nearly monthly. Their civilian guns simply lack the firepower required for military use, and are instead geared to something more logical for personal protection.

One of the reasons the crime rate in Switzerland is low despite the prevalence of weapons, and also why the Swiss mentality can’t be transposed to the current American reality, is a culture of responsibility and safety that is anchored in society and passed from generation to generation. Anyone choosing to pick up a gun in Switzerland is held fully accountable for what happens next.

Where Switzerland has a structured civilian army whose purpose it is to protect the populace in the event of a credible threat, America has a formal military alongside disparate renegade vigilante cowboys insistent on taking the law into their own hands.

Switzerland's focus on personal responsibility proves two things:

1) Sensible common sense gun regulation works exceedingly well not only to reduce gun violence and crime, but also to restructure corrupt and dangerous societal views on guns, that are directly responsible for the majority of gun violence in the US.

2) If the US hopes to get our violent gun crime under control, we need to start holding gun owners fully accountable for their choice to own and use guns. Punishment for inappropriate use of weapons needs to be far more severe, and the cowboy mentality of taking the law into our own hands needs to be eradicated. The solution to rampant gun violence long advocated by the gun crowd in the US takes exactly the opposite tack: no rules, no accountability. Trust the gun owner to do the right thing, and then deny accountability for any and all violence that results from that failed policy.

Of course other social issues also come into play: Switzerland has an excellent record for social equality, universal access to health care which emphasizes (instead of excluding) mental health resources, and a well-functioning government. All of those things help, and none of them can be separated from the whole. Switzerland's balanced controlled perspective on gun use defines their healthy society, just as America's narrowly self-serving perspective defines our violent and dysfunctional society and government.

~ Kerry

http://world.time.com/2012/12/20/the-sw … hat-works/

http://www.ibtimes.com/us-gun-control-d … and-732104

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won … g-utopias/

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/29 … t_Swiss_St

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politi … witzerland