phreddy wrote:

There is more, but I just wanted to bring back a little cheer and bring you back from the ledge.

Trump is a trainwreck and if he believes anything, it's immaterial. The only joy in mudville now is derision and laughter, because there's no other choice. Sounds Soviet, doesn't it?

We'll run out of toilet paper soon enough. Clench your fundament, it's only four years.

For the record, our only disagreement is your faith in the steaming pantloads who claim to represent us.

choad wrote:

phreddy wrote:

There is more, but I just wanted to bring back a little cheer and bring you back from the ledge.

Trump is a trainwreck and if he believes anything, it's immaterial. The only joy in mudville now is derision and laughter, because there's no other choice. Sounds Soviet, doesn't it?

We'll run out of toilet paper soon enough. Clench your fundament, it's only four years.

For the record, our only disagreement is your faith in the steaming pantloads who claim to represent us.

Seriously Choad, I truly believe all will be well in Mudville.  Trump is no free swinging Casey.  He is much smarter and skillful than his depiction in the liberal press.  Yes, he is bombastic, but you cannot run for president unless your ego is boundless.  He also seems to have unlimited energy, which is important in that job.  Also,  to my disappointment,  he never really has been a conservative. 

You and other Clinton supporters were led down a rosy path by a collaboration of her campaign, fudging pollsters, and the media.  They all ignored the vast anger bubbling in flyover country at Washington's elites who have done nothing but bullshit the public from one election cycle to the next.  The result is a revolt and Trump is the perfect klaxon, loud and clear.

phreddy wrote:

They all ignored the vast anger bubbling in flyover country at Washington's elites who have done nothing but bullshit the public from one election cycle to the next.  The result is a revolt and Trump is the perfect klaxon, loud and clear.

The problem is that the average fly over American doesn't want to see anyone in the world living in shit, that's why the $1.77 p/month to save a child thing works so well.  NAFTA and other trade policies slowly fix that but with a price of pain that wasn't fully explained and was naturally hugely corrupt.  But hey, we fixed Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan and Mexico (well almost on Mexico).

Trump won't change any of that shit though, but he will make much more satisfying noises while fucking us than anyone since Ronnie Ray-gun.

fnord wrote:

Many of us are wondering what item of clothing or sign we should give so we recognize each other at the Cruel/High Street reunion in the camps. As an old fag I'm pretty sure I'll be sent directly to the showers instead of being used for medical experiments.

Bonsai Kitty teeshirts.

fnord wrote:

I'll be sent directly to the showers

Don't pretend you wouldn't enjoy that, at least for a little while.

Hello, he's an outcast and hated nearly as much by his own party. So don't expect them to roll out the red carpet down Pennsylvania Ave. He won't be able to get so much as an appointment, no matter get a bill passed.

The people that should be quaking are all the soft-hearted old Limousine Liberals currently clogging up the appointee positions all over Executive departments. I'm sure there will be a few Executive Orders that will come out that will cause them to eat shit sandwiches, quit or get fired. I wouldn't be surprised to see quite a few changes around Justice, Interior, Treasury and State, cutting down at least 2 layers. One thing Trump has been known for is hiring underlings who know how to toe the fucking line. After all, this is a guy who has been enjoying his side gig of firing people for LOLs. Might be a few McMansions on the market in Great Falls soon. And the worst part is that I can't say that I'm not looking forward to a bit of a shakeup.

choad wrote:

phreddy wrote:

You and other Clinton supporters were led down a rosy path by a collaboration of her campaign, fudging pollsters, and the media.

I have never voted for or supported a Clinton.

My mistake.  When I mentioned disillusioned and angry voters I should have included those on the left who feel the same.

choad wrote:

Care to bet Trump not only refuses to pardon the guy who bought him the office...

https://cruelery.com/sidepic/assange.jpg

...but jugs him next to Chelsea Manning?

Sorry but as much as I love Wiki-leaks (enough to donate) I still feel Assange is a slime ball. 

I also want him kept away from Manning as the last thing Manning needs is a rapist as a cell-mate.

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I've got the feeling Trump will bring this place back to life...

Stinkhammer wrote:

JetRx wrote:

That he wasn't a Clinton and that's enough for me.

Wrote in Ron Paul...the coming decade will have rest of the country wishing they had as well. 


Obama Team at the White House during "the meeting".

https://cruelery.com/uploads/thumbs/307_obama_team.jpg

And the other Hillary supporters...

https://cruelery.com/uploads/thumbs/318 … on-sjw.jpg

Yeah, the hard-core Hillary "fans" were as bad as the Trump "fans".  I'm tired of being called a libtard by actual retards because I don't like their candidate, and called a misogynist by cunts because I don't like theirs either.

Now I understand they're saying that Michelle Obama should run in four years.  On what fucking experience?  Is she a Professor of Economics and they've just never bothered to post that?  And then when her two terms are over (oh, how they wish) then I suppose they'll run a Transgender with even less credentials, just because they're on the LGBT list.

I enjoyed the Obama Presidency because my taxes dropped and stayed there for eight years.  I fully expect them to go up again so we can pay for Trump's plan to cut taxes on the wealthy.  You know, because being rich, free, and alive all at the same time just isn't worth paying for anymore.

As an upper middle class white man with good health insurance, most of what the Republicans do for the next four or even eight years won't affect me on a National level.  Depending on what happens here in Texas, however, might make me consider moving to Nevada.

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I personally believe the big losers is this election are the oil sheiks, hedge funders, foreign businesses and countries who lined up to invest millions in the Clinton Foundation.  Bill has been hitting them up hard with promises that all their dreams will come true for a couple of million or more, depending on how much of America's tax money or influence will be required.

Bill may want to lay low for a while in case these guys decide to send some of Tony Soprano's boys to collect their money or enough skin to repay the debt.

Emmeran wrote:

Good luck to all of them now that we've reached peak oil demand.

Game over, nobody loves you anymore and that twit Elon Musk is really cool (have you seen those new shingles???).

I just priced the shingles, but they are still too expensive and not as efficient as regular solar panels.  I am installing solar panels right now, but only because my utility and the federal govt is going to give me money to make it work economically.  They still have to build a power plant to match every kilowatt produced by solar because the sun doesn't shine at night, batteries are not yet cost effective, and most people still want that backup wire running into their homes.

However, America has the ability to be completely energy self sufficient now we no longer have someone in the oval office who is willing to stifle domestic energy development.

phreddy wrote:

However, America has the ability to be completely energy self sufficient now we no longer have someone in the oval office who is willing to stifle domestic energy development.

Except that more oil was pumped in America under Oilbama than any other president, a fact which you should be making fun of rather than ignoring.  You are still getting it wrong Phreddy.

phreddy wrote:

I personally believe the big losers is this election are the oil sheiks, hedge funders, foreign businesses and countries who lined up to invest millions in the Clinton Foundation.  Bill has been hitting them up hard with promises that all their dreams will come true for a couple of million or more, depending on how much of America's tax money or influence will be required.

Bill may want to lay low for a while in case these guys decide to send some of Tony Soprano's boys to collect their money or enough skin to repay the debt.

Try not to drool so much when you take a hit.

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This.

Just. Fucking. THIS.

Perhaps you missed the part where we became an energy exporter and as a matter of fact gas is $2 p/gallon; it was bouncing off $5 under Bush. But that wasn't Bush or Obama, the world has continued to move forward.  The reality is Trump won't change a thing, market forces mandate the energy we use.  The only thing we can try to do is prevent scruple-less corporations from making a mess and forcing the taxpayer to clean it up. 

So peak oil demand, yeah we've passed that by before we ever hit absolute peak oil supply - which is very lucky for us.  Trump changing the energy market?  What a fucking joke.  Hell he's already said he's not going to change Obamacare and the "Wall" is dead before it even got started.  Rolling back environmental regulations?  Have you ever seen a regulation or tax rolled back?

choad wrote:

Emmeran wrote:

Rolling back environmental regulations?  Have you ever seen a regulation or tax rolled back?

The name James Watt ring any bells?

It's simply a matter of opportunity and resolve.  Trump certainly has the opportunity.  We will soon see if he has the resolve.  Considering that he doesn't owe any of the puppet masters and isn't looking for a career in politics, I'm betting he will stir up plenty of shit.  Regardless of the final outcome, it will be fun to watch.

XregnaR wrote:

They are at 98% of standard solar panels per square foot.  You can cover more of your roof with them than you can panels.

As for cost...

There is another factor we have not discussed.  At some point the utilities will not be able to afford to maintain the grid with subscribers opting out.  It will require major government subsidies or it will go the way of Obamacare where the remaining users are paying so much it simply collapses.  I live in an area which is especially suited to solar power.  Although our numbers are still fairly small, the local utility sees the writing on the wall and just tried to impose a special use fee for solar subscribers.  It didn't pass this time, but something will have to give in the future.  I am hoping we get grandfathered in.

phreddy wrote:

XregnaR wrote:

They are at 98% of standard solar panels per square foot.  You can cover more of your roof with them than you can panels.

As for cost...

There is another factor we have not discussed.  At some point the utilities will not be able to afford to maintain the grid with subscribers opting out.  It will require major government subsidies or it will go the way of Obamacare where the remaining users are paying so much it simply collapses.  I live in an area which is especially suited to solar power.  Although our numbers are still fairly small, the local utility sees the writing on the wall and just tried to impose a special use fee for solar subscribers.  It didn't pass this time, but something will have to give in the future.  I am hoping we get grandfathered in.

hmmm, wonder if we have so much distributed power we will need less expenditures on generation? I would imagine the investment in the grid still has to happen to modernize its architecture and upkeep.

Or maybe we could expect the power industry to get its fiscal house in order and stop shafting us with its boondoggles, and profiteering via lobbying by putting its thumb on the scales of government, A very traditional conservative and as a bonus, a trump populist view too, don't you think?

I have homes in 3 states. In each I am still paying off 2 to 4 billion in cost overruns on nuclear power fiascos which the energy industry successfully got the government to require the taxpayer to foot the bill for. At least in one state they actually removed the core and barged it to Hanford. The only complete cleanup of a site yet.  Not that they know what to do with it from there. Where the containment building once sat is a nice state park campground. Sleep well, just think before you drink the well water and eat that 3 eyed fish you caught.

And then there is Enron, which for a decade or two I have been paying for the manipulated, artificially high  cost of electric power from the swindled power contracts to the state mandated buying program. Thanks Mr Lobbyist and Big Business leader.

I will shed a tear for the energy industry and its pleas for protection from market forces when it demonstrates sound management of our public utilities. Till then it's time to drain the swamp.

Past time to icepick 'drain the swamp'.

The metaphor's expression I've heard most often is, "It's hard to drain the swamp when you're up to your ass in alligators."

Sure, you can tell yourself that Reince Priebus and Mitch McConnel will help him plant bombs and/or drain the swamp.  I don't doubt that he will seek retribution against those he feels have offended him.  That's about as far as it will go.

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The bull market had to end eventually but Trump is going to get the blame.

Emmeran wrote:

The bull market had to end eventually but Trump is going to get the blame.

You know, during the election results on Tuesday night, once it became pretty obvious that the "race to 270" was going to be won by the Hair instead of the Tortoiseshell Glasses, the talking heads had to break in with astounding news that the projected Dow opening was dropping like a rock (in after-hours trading). The glee in their voices was evident.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016 … er-sot.cnn

Then the markets opened on Wednesday and

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/09/us-markets.html

"Thanks Obama" will soon become "Thanks Trump". That's why only narcissists want to be president, it's the most thankless job in the world.

And didn't we all know that getting super cheap stuff from China in exchange for favorable interest rates on the trade deficit we ran up getting super cheap stuff from China was going to come to and end at some point? Better to balance the finances than stick our heads in the sand.

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Well, what do you know.  The Trump doctrine of America first is already working.  Apple is suddenly looking at assembling iPhones in the U.S.